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Post by Kopa on Mar 14, 2010 23:58:59 GMT -5
Probably true on that one, Shani. I'm just having a hard time seeing Sarabi leaving the cubs at the urging of Scar's mate no matter how persuasive she was. At least not without finding someone a bit more trustworthy to watch them. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but I kind of figure Zira would be on thin ice to begin with. She was Scar's mate and so she would've openly supported Scar during his reign. I can imagine everybody being pretty suspicious of her even if she was playing at having a change of heart. That being said, another option would be to have the Outlanders in the Outlands at the beginning of the plot and to not have killed anybody. Maybe all they did was support Scar and the Hyenas in the fight against Simba and his supporters in the climax of TLK? We don't really see the whole fight and since Zira was Scar's mate I doubt she would've fought against him in the final battle. Maybe in the end it's just a hopeless thought and we need to find another idea to use. Maybe it wasn't Zira that killed Chaka, but Nuka... and being his mother, she took the blame for it. After all, we all know that Nuka's a bit touched in the head. We know the reason why Zira wasn't there.. because she didn't exist yet at the end of TLK. And if we want to add in fan fiction, Scar was mated to Elanna, Sarabi's sister. But that's a whole different story. Nah, it's not hopeless. We just have to find out what we want to go with and roll with it. We're not limited by anything aside from the most basic framework of knowing Zira and the Outlanders were exiled somehow and figuring out how they got that way and what best fits what we want out of our theme.
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Post by Kibibi on Mar 15, 2010 0:06:26 GMT -5
That idea pleases the part of me that wants to start with the canon greatly. However, it does take away that everyone-involved first scene. But I'm sure with this group we could come up with some other interesting thing to do to start things off right.
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Post by Kopa on Mar 15, 2010 0:08:46 GMT -5
That idea pleases the part of me that wants to start with the canon greatly. However, it does take away that everyone-involved first scene. But I'm sure with this group we could come up with some other interesting thing to do to start things off right. No doubt. I'm sure we'll be able to zero in on things better once we get more of the major FC slots filled and we know where everybody stands and what they want to do with their characters.
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Post by Sinyaa | Zira on Mar 15, 2010 3:30:46 GMT -5
Geez you guys already have a ton of ideas! I suppose that's good, though...it'll keep our plot motivated and moving forward. XD Here's my own 2 cents, as Zira's player:
I definitely don't think Zira would be a cubsitter...she's quite obviously off her rocker. o.o But I do think murdering the end-of-TLK cub (Chaka) is the best option, and I do like the idea of a 'murder trial' setting the stage for the MUCK. Chaka would be a bit older than Kopa/Kiara, and cubs wander...so I don't think it would be hard to just assume that somehow, Zira found Chaka alone and killed him. No need to get bogged down in all the details, IMHO.
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Post by Kopa on Mar 15, 2010 4:33:00 GMT -5
Geez you guys already have a ton of ideas! I suppose that's good, though...it'll keep our plot motivated and moving forward. XD Here's my own 2 cents, as Zira's player: I definitely don't think Zira would be a cubsitter...she's quite obviously off her rocker. o.o But I do think murdering the end-of-TLK cub (Chaka) is the best option, and I do like the idea of a 'murder trial' setting the stage for the MUCK. Chaka would be a bit older than Kopa/Kiara, and cubs wander...so I don't think it would be hard to just assume that somehow, Zira found Chaka alone and killed him. No need to get bogged down in all the details, IMHO. True, I think it fits Zira best as well. I, personally like the idea of at least Kopa being there, though. Maybe to bite Zira's ear and give her that notch and also because it would make for some great 'Why him? It should've been me!' and general cub grief RP. Hmm, you know, as I was rewatching TLK II and thinking over Kopa existing on the MUCK and everything. It might actually be interesting to have him be the older cub. I was initially kind of worried that having him be the older would make the plot just be TLK all over again but having Kopa and Kiara around at the same time really changes that paradigm no matter how you look at it. It might be especially interesting for Kopa if we do the Chaka being killed bit, wrestling with his guilt over that and the fact that he's now saddled with a responsibility that should've been his brother's. It's almost the complete reverse of Scar if you think about it. Watching TLK II, Kiara strikes me as being rather carefree and wanting to 'just be herself' and strike her own path. It almost seems like the whole princess role gets rather forced and even her being with Kovu is an attempt to be more free and choose a life that's her own. It makes me wonder how she'd act if she was cut free from the responsibilities of being the heir and yet had an older brother to look up to and interact with about things. She seemed to lack that outlet in TLK II, it'd be interesting to feel out that relationship and if she and/or Kopa get involved romantically with an Outlander how they'd feel about it and act to support one another even in the face of the disapproval from both sides. Sorry, using the forums as a sounding board again. I've just got too many thoughts buzzing around, I guess.
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Post by Sinyaa | Zira on Mar 15, 2010 5:58:35 GMT -5
Hmm, you know, as I was rewatching TLK II and thinking over Kopa existing on the MUCK and everything. It might actually be interesting to have him be the older cub. I was initially kind of worried that having him be the older would make the plot just be TLK all over again but having Kopa and Kiara around at the same time really changes that paradigm no matter how you look at it. It might be especially interesting for Kopa if we do the Chaka being killed bit, wrestling with his guilt over that and the fact that he's now saddled with a responsibility that should've been his brother's. It's almost the complete reverse of Scar if you think about it. Watching TLK II, Kiara strikes me as being rather carefree and wanting to 'just be herself' and strike her own path. It almost seems like the whole princess role gets rather forced and even her being with Kovu is an attempt to be more free and choose a life that's her own. It makes me wonder how she'd act if she was cut free from the responsibilities of being the heir and yet had an older brother to look up to and interact with about things. She seemed to lack that outlet in TLK II, it'd be interesting to feel out that relationship and if she and/or Kopa get involved romantically with an Outlander how they'd feel about it and act to support one another even in the face of the disapproval from both sides. Sorry, using the forums as a sounding board again. I've just got too many thoughts buzzing around, I guess. I always assumed that the cub at the end of TLK was not Kiara -- but if we're saying that cub was Chaka, who was killed by Zira, then wouldn't that mean that if Kopa was now the eldest cub (over Kiara) and a male to boot, he'd be the natural heir of the Pridelands? Of course, it doesn't rule out Kiara being a princess as well, but she wouldn't necessarily be the next queen. I dunno. Since this is Pridelander business, I'll stay out of it for the most part, and let you Pridelander FCs figure out what you wanna do. XD
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Post by Kopa on Mar 15, 2010 6:03:10 GMT -5
Hmm, you know, as I was rewatching TLK II and thinking over Kopa existing on the MUCK and everything. It might actually be interesting to have him be the older cub. I was initially kind of worried that having him be the older would make the plot just be TLK all over again but having Kopa and Kiara around at the same time really changes that paradigm no matter how you look at it. It might be especially interesting for Kopa if we do the Chaka being killed bit, wrestling with his guilt over that and the fact that he's now saddled with a responsibility that should've been his brother's. It's almost the complete reverse of Scar if you think about it. Watching TLK II, Kiara strikes me as being rather carefree and wanting to 'just be herself' and strike her own path. It almost seems like the whole princess role gets rather forced and even her being with Kovu is an attempt to be more free and choose a life that's her own. It makes me wonder how she'd act if she was cut free from the responsibilities of being the heir and yet had an older brother to look up to and interact with about things. She seemed to lack that outlet in TLK II, it'd be interesting to feel out that relationship and if she and/or Kopa get involved romantically with an Outlander how they'd feel about it and act to support one another even in the face of the disapproval from both sides. Sorry, using the forums as a sounding board again. I've just got too many thoughts buzzing around, I guess. I always assumed that the cub at the end of TLK was not Kiara -- but if we're saying that cub was Chaka, who was killed by Zira, then wouldn't that mean that if Kopa was now the eldest cub (over Kiara) and a male to boot, he'd be the natural heir of the Pridelands? Of course, it doesn't rule out Kiara being a princess as well, but she wouldn't necessarily be the next queen. I dunno. Since this is Pridelander business, I'll stay out of it for the most part, and let you Pridelander FCs figure out what you wanna do. XD Yeah, that was kind of what I was getting at, maybe I should've been more clear. Technically it would make Kopa the heir, but Kiara would still be a princess, just not heir to the Pridelands. It just seemed to me like Kiara didn't really want to be heir as I was watching TLK II, that's just my opinion but it seemed like she felt a bit constrained by the expectations. If Kopa was heir it'd free her to evolve in her own fashion without that baggage and also give her and older sibling to interact with and Kopa a younger sister to protect and care about. Something that didn't really exist with Simba in TLK. Granted, that does work the other way around, too, if Kiara's still the older, having a younger brother and all. (By 'older' I'm talking in seconds here, since we were planning on Kopa and Kiara being in the same litter either way.)
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Post by Shinda on Mar 15, 2010 12:09:12 GMT -5
*runs in out of nowhere* Wait, so a Kiara with less rebellious princess issues? *strokes non-existent beard thoughtfully* Hey, she might be playable then.
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Post by Sinyaa | Zira on Mar 15, 2010 12:29:53 GMT -5
*runs in out of nowhere* Wait, so a Kiara with less rebellious princess issues? *strokes non-existent beard thoughtfully* Hey, she might be playable then. *perks* I know a Shinda! And someone that's interested in Kiara...ooh. Let Shani or myself know if you decide to apply for her! I definitely dig the idea of Kopa being the heir rather than Kiara, though...just because I think that version of her is really annoying ("But what if I don't want to be queen!" Fine then!), and makes me want to eat her.
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Post by Kopa on Mar 15, 2010 12:58:10 GMT -5
*runs in out of nowhere* Wait, so a Kiara with less rebellious princess issues? *strokes non-existent beard thoughtfully* Hey, she might be playable then. *perks* I know a Shinda! And someone that's interested in Kiara...ooh. Let Shani or myself know if you decide to apply for her! I definitely dig the idea of Kopa being the heir rather than Kiara, though...just because I think that version of her is really annoying ("But what if I don't want to be queen!" Fine then!), and makes me want to eat her. When _don't_ you want to eat Pridelander cubs, Zira?
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Post by Shinda on Mar 15, 2010 17:39:57 GMT -5
*runs in out of nowhere* Wait, so a Kiara with less rebellious princess issues? *strokes non-existent beard thoughtfully* Hey, she might be playable then. *perks* I know a Shinda! And someone that's interested in Kiara...ooh. Let Shani or myself know if you decide to apply for her! I'm definitely thinking on it! I always honestly thought Kiara would be a fun character to RP if she didn't have so many issues, and if her entire existence did not hinge on her contrived romance with Kovu.
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Post by Kopa on Mar 15, 2010 18:17:02 GMT -5
*perks* I know a Shinda! And someone that's interested in Kiara...ooh. Let Shani or myself know if you decide to apply for her! I'm definitely thinking on it! I always honestly thought Kiara would be a fun character to RP if she didn't have so many issues, and if her entire existence did not hinge on her contrived romance with Kovu. Wh-Wh-Whaaaaaaat?! You mean the blatant Romeo and Juliet relationship shoehorned into the plot didn't move you?
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Post by Shani on Mar 15, 2010 19:24:18 GMT -5
It's funny that this idea about Kopa being the heir came up, because I've had a somewhat crazy idea: What if instead of Kovu wooing Kiara, it's Vitani getting cloae to Kopa to get to Simba?
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Post by Kopa on Mar 15, 2010 19:33:48 GMT -5
It's funny that this idea about Kopa being the heir came up, because I've had a somewhat crazy idea: What if instead of Kovu wooing Kiara, it's Vitani getting cloae to Kopa to get to Simba? That could be an interesting twist, yep! Vitani is definitely less vulnerable and sappy than Kovu.
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Post by Sinyaa | Zira on Mar 16, 2010 3:20:14 GMT -5
I like the idea as well! And who knows, maybe Vitani will be more dedicated to the job than Kovu was. ;D I feel like we're taking TLK1 as canon but making our own spin on an AU TLK2, and that's just fine by me...certainly makes things interesting.
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