FC Meeting Log

[Shani]

Due to many requests, I hereby present the log from the FC meeting held on April 6.


[OOC] Player Lounge
You emerge into one of the larger caves, able to accommodate a huge number of
animals. All around the cave are comfortable chairs and sofas. Tables are set
up here and there to play games. Set against the walls are various video games,
as well as snack and soda machines for your enjoyment.
Obvious exits: [G]rand [N]exus

Vitani enters the Players Lounge.
Vitani has arrived.
Shenzi enters the Players Lounge.
Shenzi has arrived.
Timon enters the Players Lounge.
Timon has arrived.
Simba enters the Players Lounge.
Simba has arrived.
Nuka enters the Players Lounge.
Nuka has arrived.
[OOC] Timon is all surrounded by predators. D:
Kovu has arrived.
[OOC] Shenzi says, "Hahaha."
Kovu goes Out-Of-Character (OOC).
Kopa has arrived.
Timon goes Out-Of-Character (OOC).
Shani shouts, "All FCs please come to the players lounge!"
Timon slips a coin into one of the snack machines. Starts whacking it since it doesn't dispense anything, then it occurs to him he has to actually tell the machine his selection...
Kopa sits in an armchair and pulls out his bubble pipe.
Nuka ponders what to do for dinner.
Shani says, "Thank you all for coming. For all those wondering why we're here, this meeting is to finalize all the decisions so we're all on the same page."
Timon says, "Page 42?"
Shani says, "%9."
Vitani says, "My book doesn't go that high."
Nuka sits on Vitani. "You just can't count that high, kiddo."
Shani asks, "Any questions, problems, complaints or anything else on your minds?"
Timon takes Vitani, turns the book over, and hands the book back to her.
Timon says, "Are we any closer to players for Pumbaa or Sarabi?"
Nuka says, "Or Sarafina, too? Or did I miss a memo?"
Kovu says, "The only thing I'd like to know is if the ages of the younger FCs have been nailed down."
Ed has arrived.
Ed sorreeeeee!
Ed flop.
Kopa says, "I actually was going to ask something related to Kovu's question."
Shani shakes her ehad, "No.. no players for any of them."
Shenzi says, "I think my main question would be when we're going to get the main plot rolling. I would just assume that we'd have someone spoof Sarabi, Sarafina and Pumbaa, if they were really needed?"
Nuka is curious about the age-thing too. And, of course, the overall Timeline of Events.
Shani says, "Kovu, that is something we can figure out tonight. But, should maybe wait for Kiara to join us, in case she has a suggestion."
Nuka says, "Well, do we have a Main Plot? Something we're ultimately aiming for, or, are we just all taking our own spin? Is there a specific direction the staff has in mind?"
Shani says, "Of course, they can indeed be spoofed if needed."
Kopa says, "Rafiki's player has the whole heirship ceremony planned out, by the way. He let me know that before he left."
Shenzi says, "The 'main plot' that I'm referring to is more or less just the 'trial of Zira' scene thing that we'd brainstormed before the MUCK was even up."
Shani says, "I believe that our opening scene will be Kopa being made the heir since the tragic loss of Chaka."
Nuka blinks. "But isn't she already exiled?"
Shenzi says, "Yeah, and my question was just when we're actually going to do that scene, and officially start everything?"
Shani hmms, "Yes, she is exiled already, but it can be RPed out, should anyone wish it."
[OOC] Simba says, "I thought we were already beyond that."
Shenzi says, "I was kind of expecting it, honestly."
Shenzi says, "We brainstormed it out to be like a big thing, and then we just didn't do it?"
Kopa says, "We are, we're starting with Kopa officially being designated heir. Rafiki wanted to have some ceremonies for the character to do and so we put together the idea of a transfer of heriship ceremony starting the MUCK."
Shani says, "One of the earlier ideas was for Chaka to be spoofed and the whole thing RPEd out, but it was thought to be a bit too much and was passed on."
Shenzi says, "I never knew that. :/"
Vitani says, "Maybe Zira shows up at the ceremony and we can have all the animals present do some big theatrical number like 'Not One of Us' and bring on the exile again? =P"
Shenzi says, "I thought it was going to be like the big opener for the MUCK and stuff."
Kopa says, "LOL"
Ed votes for musical numbers. :B
Shani says, "Again, it can be RPed out if anyone would like to do it."
Ed has seen no musical numbers roleplayed to date on this MUCK other than his own.
Simba says, "I don't want to Rp out Chaka's death though, that's a bit too brutal."
Shenzi says, "Well, since everyone thinks we're 'beyond it' or whatever, I don't want to force it."
Kopa says, "Well, it looks like the heirship ceremony is going to be that big opener now. Vitani's right, though, no reason Zira can't show up if she wishes maybe parading Kovu around."
Shenzi says, "It wouldn't be his death, Simba."
Nuka says, "Do keep in mind, though, a giant all-FC scene is going to be near impossible... just the sheer amount of time spent just everyone posing."
Shenzi says, "It was supposed to be a big plot thing, where Zira was officially exiled. Not everything would be all at once."
Simba says, "I also don't have weekends free to do stuff like that, since I work full time, and I go to school. Evenings is all I can really give you guys."
Shani says, "We would have liked to do it, Shenzi, but as Simba said, it would be too much. And getting everyone together is very hard. Look at just for this meeting how many are missing."
Shenzi says, "I understand, but it would've been cool if we could've actually scrapped the idea in text. 'Cause I had no idea that we weren't doing that."
Kopa nods. "The heirship ceremony gives us at least something 'in theme' to open with and starts us off in a way that's similar to the movies."
Shenzi says, "Yeah, but the hyenas won't be involved in that."
Simba says, "I had no clue we were 'opening the Muck' with some big thing at all. I thought we already were open. XD"
Shenzi says, "It was hard enough finding a way to get the hyenas involved in the other thing."
Vitani says, "Maybe forum it? I had to go that route, but it's kinda working for the hyenas and the Outlander youngun's."
Nuka says, "For sanity's sake, though... What is the overall story leading up this far, going from the end of the first movie to now? Not just for us FC's so we're not winging things and assuming when/if something happened but for even original players to fit themselves in. I think that overall passage is critical before we even touch on individual scenes."
Kopa says, "We could certainly do that."
Vitani says, "hate, rather."
Shenzi says, "Forum RP takes way too long. There's one going now and it's just.. really slow. I know everyone's busy and stuff, but.. yeah. :["
Shenzi says, "Sorry, I'm not trying to be all 'oh boo hoo' and whatnot, but yeah. I just would've liked to have some confirmation that we weren't doing that. I was kinda looking forward to it."
Nuka had no idea there was any opening scene planned.
Shenzi says, "It was pretty early in the brainstorming thing."
Kopa says, "Simba takes over the Pridelands and Nala gives birth to Chaka, Kopa and Kiara maybe a bonth or so after the lands have healed. They're presented and perhaps a few months after that Zira makes her move and kills Chaka, tries to kill Kopa as well but she's stopped and cornered and finally brought to trial. She's exiled and takes her children with her along with some lionesses who supported her. Probably a month or so after that the MUCK timeline 'officially' starts with Rafiki doing the transfer of heirship ceremony."
Kopa says, "bonth=month, obviously"
Shani nods, "Undestood, Shenzi. I was trying to look over the forum, but never got to it. There were so many great ideas we had that fell through and the death of Chaka and trial of Zira was one of them."
Timon says, "Who will do the 'catching' of Zira?"
Kopa says, "I think we did mention that on the forums somewhere, actually."
Kovu is no longer in the pose order.
Shani went looking but couldn't find anything.
Shenzi says, "And the hyenas were supposed to have a part in that, Kopa. They were the ones who were supposed to be the witnesses to Zira killing Chaka, and that was how they were supposed to be the Prideland's little spies. Sort of. They're not supposed to be "evil" in this MUCK, but neutral, and more on the Prideland side of neutral."
Kopa says, "If we were to ever RP it out, whoever wants to."
Shenzi says, "No, not whoever wants to! We had it planned out! XD"
Kopa says, "I know that, Shenzi. No reason that couldn't still have happened."
Timon would like Uzuri to. He's always looking to make a hero of his characters.
Kopa says, "I don't think we had planned exactly who caught Zira, Shenzi."
Shenzi says, "Yes. We did."
Kopa says, "And it wouldn't just be one lioness, Yaro, one lioness couldn't stop Zira."
Shenzi says, "Go check the forum. We definitely did."
Vitani says, "I do like that plan...the hyenas. More tension with the Outlanders. >=3"
Nuka likes the idea I've seen of Sarabi doing it, and perhaps she dies to save Kopa. Hence, why she's not seen in TLK2. Perhaps her and Sarafina, as they'd be the best sitters for the cubs and most likely to be checking on them.
Shenzi says, "Well.. blegh. I have to go to work."
Kopa says, "Wait...Wait...are we talking about who catches Zira in the act or who stops her and brings her back to the Pridelands?"
Shenzi has disconnected.
Shani says, "I think it was decided on the forum that a few of us would RP it out since not everyone wanted to be involved. I'd certainly like to play it out."
Kopa says, "A lot of players didn't like that idea, though, Nuka. They felt Sarabi should live."
Kopa says, "Especially if Chaka had to die."
Timon doesn't mind. Just wants Uzu to be involved in some way.
Nuka says, "Not saying she couldn't, that's just an idea floating around out there."
Kopa nods.
Nuka really thinks this whole timeline needs hashed out and posted, before anything else happens. This way, original characters too know better, especially if they were in this area, what's been going on and what has happened up until this point.
Kopa says, "I agree."
Timon agrees.
Shani says, "I figured we'd start with you all to figure out where the FCs were, then at the MUCKwide meeting we'd let everyone know."
Kopa says, ":nods to Shani."
Kopa says, "Bleah. -_-"
Vitani points and laughs.
Shani hoped that way every player would be in the know.
Vitani says, "And too bad Shenzi left...I wanted to know what Kovu and Vitani knew about the hyenas or if they had met them before. Plus that knowledge will help me in the current forum RP."
Kopa headbutts Vitani.
Kovu says, "As far as I'm concerned, Kovu is too young to /know/ anything, save for what his mother/pridemembers have taught him. But that's where age comes in."
Shani says, "I would think, since Kovu and Vitani were born before Simba returned that they would indeed know the hyenas."
Kiara has arrived.
Kopa says, "Yeah, the whole age thing has been bothering me a bit, too. Though probably for opposite reasons than Kovu."
Kovu says, "I don't foresee a two or three month old remembering a whole lot."
Nuka says, "Well, thus far, I've figured Nuka obviously born while Scar was still king. He was raised around the hyenas, he's familiar with them. My concern is, is there any staff-generated preference for why he was tossed out of favor? As for Kovu and Vitani, too, I can see them being born about the same time as Kopa/Kiara. I just wanna know Zira's feeling on.... well, the big question - why is Sharvi their father? Was it just after Scar's death that she hooked up with them?"
Timon says, "I don't know about the other wizards, but looking at Nuka as an adolescent/adult, Nuka struck me as looking more weak than the others?"
Vitani says, "So they're that old? And I liked the idea of perhaps Chumvi being their father, or Tojo (dang green Kovu eyes, though)."
Vitani still thinks Zira is Scar/Sarabi spawn and Nuka is the product of incest. =P
Shani says, "We never came up with a reason Kovu was chosen over Nuka. Do you have any suggestions for it yourself?"
Shani just ewws..
Kovu says, "I just always figgured it's because Nuka was so scrawny, but I really don't care, if anyone has a more detailed reason, or whatever."
Kopa says, "Scar's Ghost."
Nuka says, "Well, physically, he was raised starving. He's never known otherwise. He's stunted because of it, and no doubt, it may have addled him too. You go without food most of your life and see how sane you are. Because, honestly, I can't see a son of Zira and Scar being born an idiot. Sorry, I can't see it, but there are plenty of reasons to develop some disappointing features. And back on the Father issue.... the whole 'last born before exile' drives me up the wall. How is Scar even alive when Kovu born? I say he's not. Zira's batty enough, I can see her guilt over seeking a different mate and bearing Kovu as some sort of sign of forgiveness, a way of Scar saying 'this kid looks like me, through him, earn your favor back'."
Timon says, "Well, how old would Nuka have been when Scar was killed?"
Vitani XD!
Nuka says, "I say late juve, when Scar died."
Timon says, "May I submit one theory?"
Shani says, "Well... since we did stray from SP.. maybe Nuka is stunted, but he could still be his father's son. If you get my meaning."
Shani nods, "Go ahead, Timon."
Kopa says, "Scar didn't exactly have 'strong' genes he said that himself."
Vitani says, "SBD."
Timon says, "Scar always valued intelligence and cunning, if you pay attention to many things he said and did through TLK..."
Shani nods, "He sure did."
Nuka says, "I don't see Zira and Scar as being a happy family. My take on Nuka is he's not some half-mad lunatic. He's a kid who grew up starving, with disinterested and likely abusive parents, and likely just became so withdrawn from it they just gave him up as useless and cowardly. Now that he's getting adol, I'm leaning more towards the teen restlessness. He's older and stronger and beginning to recognize he's been treated poorly. You could say teenage rebellion, but, I play him as Scar's son. He's manipulative, he's scheming, he's bitter... he's just now learning how to be."
Timon says, "If Nuka didn't exactly show the strengths Scar wanted in an heir/successor, he could easily have passed him over, hoping something better would come about."
Kopa nods to Timon.
Nuka says, "Exactly, Timon. Since Scar didn't figure anyone would be booting him anytime soon."
Kopa says, "Well, Nuka's your character, exactly why/how he is the way he is is up to you."
Kopa says, "There's not much canon to go on as far as that goes ."
Shani nods to both Nuka and Timon. "Exactly."
Kopa says, "But, yeah, I've got my own problem with the 'age' thing."
Vitani says, "But still that constant desperation for attention and praise, such as his final few lines 'I'm doin' it for you, and I'm doin' it for me""
Timon says, "Very apt, Nuka. No way Scar would have anticipated his impending doom at the time, figured he'd have enough time to carve out a new heir for what he would want."
Kopa nods.
Timon says, "And yeah, way I see it, Nuka saw Kovu taking the exact WORST path for what Zira wanted and felt suddenly he was top heir again and went after Simba before dying. That's MY take anyway, obviously I won't tell you how it WILL be, Nuka."
Nuka says, "Nuka's overall idea is: He wants to be loved, he honestly wants Zira's approval, but he's learning just being the doting son isn't going to work. It never will. So, taking a page from daddy's book, he's going to start thinking - fine. She liked brutal, she likes uncaring. I'll show you what it means. I know Kovu and I have joked about this, but I can honestly see Nuka pushed to some point where it's either a Him-Or-Me situation. If he can't win over Zira, than he'll try and rid himself of the competition. He'll always, in some twisted way, seek out Zira's approval even in the most sinister ways. And exactly, Timon. At last, Kovu was disgraced, and Nuka saw his chance to prove he was worth it. And failed."
Nuka says, "Granted, none of this would be tomorrow! It's a sort of ultimate end."
Kovu is totally cool with Nuka's ideas.
Shani says, "Ok, the age debate. Nuka was born first, obviously, and is now a Adolescent. Now, this is just my take on it, tell me what you think. Vitani and Kovu were born a month or two before Simba's return. Chaka, Kopa and Kiara were born a after them, so they'd be about cub Simba's age, Kovu and Vitani a bit older. How does that sound?"
Kopa says, "Could be very interesting, Nuka."
Timon says, "Another idea I had was Scar's rejection of Nuka could have been QUITE vocal... and not at all kept from Nuka."
Nuka nods to Timon. "Shani, I believe you might have told me Nuka was /just/ adol, yes?"
Kovu just wants a rough month estimate. How long after they were born were they kicked out. How long since then. He's good with whatever everyone decides.
Kopa says, "Well, that's the thing, though. Nuka and I were talking and I also talked to Sinyaa about this and their idea of 'Cub' matches mine. Cubs aren't weaned and totally dependent on their mothers so playing a Lion Cub is maybe around 1-7 or so in human terms. Young Simba would've been Juve which is more like 8-12 in human terms and I believe that Nuka was going to bring Afua in as a Juve should he get him. So...should we kick up the ages of the characters to fit with that?"
Kopa says, "This doesn't mean that Kovu would need to be bumped up if he wants to play the character as younger, though, even in SP when we first see Kovu he appears to be just a baby since we only see his cradle and never actually see him which could mean he's slightly younger than Vitani."
Shani says, "It's whatever ages you guys want to be. Nuka, do you want him to be having just turned Adol?"
Nuka kind of puts Nuka as, mentality-wise, 13-14-15. Still a child in respects, but, just beginning to mature. So far, rp wise, Outland and Prideland cubs seem to be about the late cub/early juve, maybe about 8-10. Just beginning to become independent from their parents, weaned, but unable to hunt save for bugs and mice. So, still unable to survive on their own."
Kopa says, "Well, we need to be in the ballpark together or that'll cause confusion."
Kopa nods.
Kopa says, "I agree with Nuka, that's generally how I've been playing Kopa anyway."
Shani says, "I brought this up on the forum and will mention it again, even though we aren't following the movie. A deleted scene showed Nuka and Vitani running back from spying and telling Zira that Simba's new cub was a girl and Kovu was playing behind her. Which said to me Kiara was younger that Kovu."
Nuka says, "But, then, it doesn't fit if Chaka was their littermate."
Timon says, "That's an interesting insight, Shani. Could Zira have been hoping for a male she could simply kill?"
Kopa says, "Except there's another deleted scene of Rafiki painting the the tree with Kiara's image and then getting a wind from Mufasa and discovering Kovu was just born as well."
Shani nods as she listens, "Yeah, it was kinda all jumbled up, those deleted scenes."
Vitani uggs, "Sequels..."
Timon uggs, "Hastily made sequels.
Kopa says, "As far as Chaka being killed, it really doesn't matter if he was cub or Juve stage. Zira could've killed anything below an Adol with no real effort."
Kopa says, "So that bit still works."
Shani says, "I'm fine with whatever you all want the ages to be. So, it's your choices."
Nuka says, "Unless, one wants to say Chaka was born first, just after Simba's return. Zira was defeated - she has a useless Nuka and a young Vitani, perhaps same age as Chaka, until she bore Kovu. Then, lightning strikes, she feels Scar has spoken. She kills Chaka. So, at time of that... Nuka juve, Vitani and Chaka cub, Kovu infant. Kopa and Kiara born after that."
Vitani thought Chaka was born shortly after (ie. cub at end of movie) time, too.
Kopa nods. "Well, what do Simba and Nala think? They've got some say in this after all."
Nuka says, "So right now, Nuka would be adol, Vitani juve, Kovu, Kopa, and Kiara cub."
Kopa says, "Rafiki and I actually theorized that the cub at the end of the movie was Kopa for a couple reasons."
Shani nods to Vitani. "It's Chaka at the end of TLK clearly."
Kopa says, "Mostly involving the rituals."
Vitani elbows Kopa, "And remember you said you like older women. "
Shani laughs.
Kopa pffffts. XD
Nuka says, "Simba's studying, so, don't expect him to chime in too often. "
Shani was wondering. "Tell him good luck with his studying. Always hated doing that."
Kopa says, "The only problem I've got with that is that if we're going by the idea of 'cub' being 1-8 or something like that then it more or less goes against how I've been running the character."
Simba says, "I'm half assed paying attention, mostly because I'm like 'whatever'. You guys decide what you want to do, and I'll roll with it."
Kopa says, "And I'll be honest in my opinion that playing anything below 'Young Simba' age is boring."
Simba says, "To be honest, the way I want to see it, is this.."
Kovu says, "I've always played that 1 month is approx. equal to one year RL child development. So, yeah... "
Shani says, "Simba, I want you to be happy as well. Please, chime in when you can."
Timon says, "I might wanna step off. There any need to discuss anything Timon-related?"
Shani says. "I don't believe so. You ok with your char and everything?"
Simba says, "Nuka is an Adol. He's the oldest. Kopa, Kiara, are Juvies at this point. Vitani and Kovu are Juvies at this point. You can say they're a month or so apart, I don't care, and I don't think anyone else seriously cares because not everyone is a Math Major, and to them, Juvie is Juvie, Adol is Adol. Simba and Nala only had one litter so far, and the first born got killed shortly after he was born. Zira whacked him off right around the time he probably started walking. Simba of course gets lit, kicks her ass out, and the others leave. At this point, Zira could be pregnant with Vitani, unknowing by anyone else, and she gives birth to Vitani in the outlands. Since Kovu isn't Scar's son, I'm willing to think he's not even Zira's son either. Thus why he and vitani are the same age, and Nuka is totally pissed off that some freak who isn't even baring the same genetics as him, is getting the star treatment."
Nuka makes one quick side-note for Timon: The spoofing of the non-cast FCs. I think who spoofs them needs limited, to prevent a million takes. IE: Pumbaa is always with Timon, so he spoofs him until cast.
Nuka fist bumps Simba. Freak is right, man.
Kopa says, "I'd say a -bit- older than just walking because I still liked Shenzi's idea of me being the reason she's got that lovely notch. Other than that, Simba's got my thoughts down."
Timon says, "My only wish is a player for Pumbaa."
Simba says, "I think at this rate, we don't even need to come up with a backstory to who Kovu's parents are. That can be assessed later as a TP or something. Maybe Zira killed a pregnant lioness who defied her authority, and Zira got stupid happy to find out the cub came out alive after all, and saw it as a sign, a new becoming. JESUS REBORN or something."
Kopa says, "Scar's Ghost."
Vitani XD!
Kopa says, "Giant Black Thunder Cloud."
Kopa says, "I choose that boy, Nuka's a loser. *fades out*"
Kopa says, "Zira's all like ZOMG!"
Timon says, "Poor, poor Nuka."
Simba says, "Something like that, yeah. Maybe at that time, the cub was born, big thunderstorm, she looked to the sky, saw Scar a la Mufasa in the stars, and he was all: ZIRA U FORGOTTEN WHO U R!11 lulz. And she was all: OH SNAP, KOVU IS THE CHOSEN ONE."
Kopa says, "Exactly."
Kopa says, "Even if it's all in Zira's addled head."
Timon says, "Nuka has got to be the most tragic of all the TLK characters, really. COMPLETELY rejected by everyone."
Simba says, "That way, when Kovu and Kiara hooked up, it's not a bad family tree in some red neck's double wide."
Nuka just thinks there's no Scar's ghost, but Zira is twisted enough to honestly believe a kid popping out as Scar-clone is some divine sign and some perverted idea that she can earn Scar's favor by training Kovu to do what he couldn't finish.
Vitani heeyyys, "That's a good evil plot though. Zira mad-obsessed with Scar and finds out another lioness mated with him, hence Kovu."
Nuka says, "And Timon, that is -exactly- what I'm going for. And so help everyone, one day he is just going to freaking snap."
Kopa says, "A-HYUK! Ahm gonna rulez the prideylands!"
Nuka says, "...well... he did voice Goofy's son, Kopa."
Kopa says, "This is true."
Kopa says, "And also all kinds of scary."
Shani nodnods, "I like your thoughts, Simba."
Simba says, "But I think Zira killing the pregnant lioness, tearing Kovu out of her womb would be an awesome way to get an heir to the outlands. It's so demented."
Vitani says, "But not as gruesome as the killing of Chaka? "
Simba says, "I'm not saying Rp it out. Some things can be left unsaid. "
Shani says, "But if I recall right, Zira had a father in mind for Kovu and maybe Vitani."
Kopa says, "She did, yep."
Vitani says, "He hardly RPs, though...he was who played their father elsemuck."
Nuka says, "That was my second idea. She kills the real mother of Kovu and/or Vitani and 'adopts' them because she saw Kovu as Scar-reborn. Now she's the adoptive mother. I've heard a lot of references to Tama as Vitani's mother.... but, yah, Shani. Sharvi, who to be honest, I've never seen on. Anyone else?"
Nuka says, "They did the same role elsemu, yah."
Simba says, "Sharvi is not the most reliable of RP'ers though, to be honest. Not for years, and years, and years."
Kopa says, "Heh, almost like some people's theories that Zira stole Vitani from Tama. XD"
Nuka says, "Exactly, Kopa."
Shani nods, "I've never seen him."
Kopa says, "Well even if we never see their father on-screen it shouldn't stop Zira's player from having it be whomever."
Nuka could see Vitani as a Tojo-Tama cub. Kovu... I've heard Chumvi.
Kopa says, "If he's a rogue it's easy to claim he just left."
Simba says, "Anyways, back to studying."
Shani says, "But also shouldn't it be up to Kovu and Vitani as to who their daddy is as well?"
Kopa says, "Vitani's dad is a bird-brain?"
Kopa says, "Sure, but I thought Zira had talked that over with them already?"
Nuka says, "My only curiosity is what drove Zira to seek out a mate beyond Scar? Choice, or otherwise? And I agree on that, Shani."
Shani says, "I don't know. Kovu, Vitani, has Zira said anything about who your dad is?"
Vitani says, "It was kinda open-ended, I thought. I'm impartial, though a semi-canon char. is interesting, not to mention the obvious similarities in features."
Simba says, "Kovu is watching LOST."
Simba says, "My only issue is that Sharvi has played the character on like 10 mucks, I"d rather have it be an original character instead of one that everyone already knows in the TLK Muck world of the last 12 years or so."
Kopa says, "Scar's Ghost was like, "Lo, since I be dead, go forth and have kids with someone who's not. Ye, and he shalt overthrow Simba. Verily.""
Shani says, "It could be, Nuka is that Zira saw what mating with Scar produced.. Nuka and she needed betetr genes to take her revenge with."
Kopa says, "Scar and Zira were siblings, Nuka is what they produced and they learned their lesson. XD"
Shani laughs.
Simba says, "MY FAMILY TREE DOES NOT BRANCH."
Shani then ewwwwwwwwwws!
Kopa says, "Let's not do that again. Seriously."
Vitani whines, "Scar and Saraaaaaabiiiiii."
Simba says, "Sarabi would rather die than bend over for Scar, I just don't see that happening."
Shani points to Simba, "That is the only one Sarabi produced."
Kopa says, "Tojo x Tama would explain where Vitani got the blue eyes and awesome hair, though."
Vitani says, "He knocked her down pretty gewd."
Simba says, "He knocked her down, but if he tried to get his rapez on, she'd rip him up. In the real world, we all know that Sarabi could take Scar in a fight, easily, and Eff him up."
Vitani says, "Whatevs."
Shani says, "Truer words were never spoken."
Simba says, "He had hyenas, that's the only reason why he stuck around so long as King. The ladies otherwise, would have spanked him into a two week coma."
Kopa says, "Truth."
Shani says, "Plus, Scar really was a wimp."
Nuka is a fan of tying in the canon chars, since they just... disappear off the grid. Kula's pretty average, she can sneak in. The males could have been driven off during Scar's reign, which I generally go by, and Tama? Well... maybe Zira did off her and steal Vitani. Or, she died of illness and Zira 'adopted' her. If Vitani even likes the idea. XD
Kopa says, "Even though he kicked my dad's ass."
Kopa says, "I mean...nothing."
Nuka says, "And yah. Only reason Scar stayed king is the hyenas. Otherwise, he'd have been shredded."
Simba says, "Your dad was raised by a meerkat and warthog, and ate worms and bugs growing up. He didn't get a chance to build up fighting muscles. "
Kopa snickers.
Ed says, "you guys are so hard on scar :~( but he had such great cheekbones..."
Nuka has them too!
Vitani says, "And jawline and voice!"
Kopa says, "Nah, Scar was awesome."
Shani says, "Vitani, if you want to go that route and Zira is ok with it, it's fine by me."
Kopa says, "I am kind of with Nuka, though."
Kopa says, "I don't think we need to go overboard, however."
Nuka is his ONLY son and by God I will kill you all! Ahem. Back to business.
Shani says, "Scar was a cool lion. Great voice."
Ed can do a pretty good Scar impression but a better Droopy Dog.
Kopa says, "Also: Did the Prideland and Outland cubs know each other before the exile?"
Nuka figures a lot of cubs and lionesses died in the drought.
Kopa says, "Or would they have listened to Zira's 'Don't play with those brats!' command?"
Nuka says, "Ah, Kopa, but do kids listen? "
Nuka says, "Ever?"
Kopa says, "Hence why the 'would they have' "
Ed is so glad his character is the least important in the whole setting, cuz he could NEVER remember the complicated timeline and family trees you guys have been coming up with. <:B
Simba says, "Two week coma!"
Shani says, "Were there any cubs in the pridelands period?"
Vitani says, "Sooo...Vitani, spawn of Tama and...Tojo. She obviously doesn't know any different, as she calls Zira 'Mother' all the time. Perhaps it's another good way to sway her into the Pridelands...discovering her Pridelander family. Depending on Kopa's future, that is."
Kopa says, "I mean after Simba, Shani."
Nuka can see Tama dying early and Vitani raised by Zira, so, she never knew better.
Kopa says, "Did Kopa, Kiara, Chaka and Nuka, Vitani and Kovu know/play together before the exile."
Simba says, "Kiara and Kovu didn't know each other in the SP2 movie."
Kopa says, "That way I know how to react when I run into them again."
Kopa says, "This isn't SP2, though."
Shani says, "I wouldn't think so, Kopa. Zira wouldn't let them I think."
Kopa says, "The exile happened after Kiara and Kopa were born, so it's possible that here they did."
Simba says, "But it makes since they wouldn't know each other."
Kopa says, "As Nuka said, would they listen, though?"
Nuka thinks they were all extremely young. If by chance they did run across each other, they wouldn't likely remember now.
Kopa says, "Good point."
Vitani hasn't met anyone yet, other than Asante and Eshu and a lil' bit o'Shenzi.
Kovu is with Nuka on that.
Kopa says, "Well, exept for Nuka."
Kopa says, "He might be old enough to remember."
Nuka nods. "He'll remember, but, I'm sure Nuka kept far away from just about everyone when he was still young. He was too nervous and twitchy."
Kopa says, "Hmmm...since we've doing the Kopa/Kiara at Juve thing I'll have to talk with Tas."
Kopa says, "Probably, poor guy."
Kopa says, "But, yeah, if Zira was okay with it then it might be cool for her to have stolen Vitani."
Kopa says, "Kovu could still be hers and Vitani wouldn't know one way or the other."
Shani nods, "Nuka was a cute cub, though. there was a picture of him on a beanbag Nuka plush."
Kopa saw that.
Kopa says, "All the Outlander cubs were cute, though."
Nuka says, "It explains the cut scene, where Vitani appears 'older' than Kovu, plus adds a little more story to her."
Kopa says, "It's just Disney decided to pull their 'They have to look evil' crap."
Kopa says, "Which they drop when they become Pridelanders."
Nuka says, "My opinion on the 'look' of Outlanders is just starvation."
Kopa says, "All the Outlanders suddenly look more like Pridelanders, it's hilarious."
Ed , cuter than them all.
Shani nods, "True... then they all look alike again at the end."
Kopa pats Ed.
Shani awws.
Nuka says, "It's a whole lot of hunger and evil thoughts, and with a good diet and a happier life, they... fill out."
Nuka says, "IE: Kiara's lame, "They are us!""
Kopa says, "I do think that the whole 'Not Knowing' bit for the cubs works better that way there's not that automatic "Pridelander/Outlander dislike.""
Kopa says, "And all SORTS of headaches can be caused."
Nuka agrees.
Kopa says, "Kopa you idiot, she's an Outlander! You should've let her die! etc."
Shani says, "The whole dislike was caused by the parents, not the cubs."
Nuka says, "These kids got enough issues, let them have a little innocence."
Kopa says, "Issues, oh yeah, they've all got those."
Kopa says, "Not just on the Outlander side, either."
Shani nodnods.
Nuka says, "So.... what have we got mostly settled, thus far, and who do we still need to talk to?"
Vitani says, "Will Kopa die?""
Kopa says, "We're all gonna die, Vits."
Shani says, "We've got your ages settled, yes? And the parentages of Nuka, Kovu and Vitani, though Zira will need to weight in on it as well."
Shani says, "why would Kopa die, Vit?"
Vitani says, "I guess that was the Chaka alternative. Lots of artists draw him as having died."
Shani says, "Or did you mean Nuka?"
Nuka says, "Well, a lot of times Chaka/Tanabi/Kopa are the same critter."
Vitani oookays.
Shani nods, "Different names, same cubbie."
[OOC] Kopa says, "Yeah, we used Chaka instead because I'm playing Kopa."
Kopa says, "One of the pet theories is that Kopa died before Kiara was born and Zira killed him."
Kopa says, "Others being that he ran away or ran off with Vitani."
Nuka says, "As for /Nuka/ dying, it all depends on how IC goes!"
Ed won't let his buddy Nuka die! Nuh-unh! *cling!*
Nuka says, "You'll forget me in ten seconds and eat me."
Shani says, "Nuka wouldn't need to die, things may change."
Nuka says, "But, on a IC-related note.... hyena-players, please, if you want this whole Prideland deal thing to work... watch where you're rping and causing trouble. This is, of course, inspired by my rp earlier as Kula. I didn't wanna be the bad guy and ruin the plans, but, it was her only real IC recourse. No hard feelings, just, ya know... be careful. Unless you want the thing to go south."
Kopa says, "Nah, in this storyarc Kiara falls for Nuka, redeeming him and helping him with his termite problem."
Ed says, "Maybe you could remind me of how great-of-friends we were before I'd finished eating you though?, so look on the brightside."
Nuka says, "Ew."
Nuka says, "Kopa, Nuka is no cradle-robber. XD"
Kopa says, "Ed's friends are always in good taste."
Nuka says, "Plus... cousins!!"
Kiara says, "Rejected. "
Kopa comforts Kiara.
Nuka says, "I'm sure she's a nice enough lady, but no."
Simba is hooking Kiara up with a handsome prince anyways. XD
Shani says, "Another idea from the forum that was discussed was that instead of Kovu and Kiara, (Kopa is the heir as you probably already all know) it could turn out to be Kopa and Vitani. Vitani could be lead to go after Simba by using Kopa. Or, as Kopa suggested, which is a better idea, he tries to redeem her, seeing her as a fallen angel."
Kopa says, "Prine Ali Abaduwa?"
Kopa says, "Prince"
Kopa says, "Strong as ten regular men, definitely!"
Ed says, "Everybody's always talking about who the lions get to marry. Who do /I/ get?!"
Kopa says, "Zazu, of course."
Ed swoons!
Ed says, "Ah, me very own littul blueboid o' happiness!"
Shani giggles.
Nuka is open for anyway the cubs wanna go. Maybe everyone gets involved in the whole scheme? Maybe Nuka just decides to punt his annoying siblings in a river and defunct over to the Pridelands? Who knows!
Vitani says, "Nuka and Dotty!""
Nuka thinks it will all depend on IC.
Kopa says, "http://fanart.lionking.org/Artists/kitchiki/Edtaka.png OH GOD!"
Kopa says, "That is so adorable."
Shani nods, "Exactly. That was the whole purpose of beginning at the end of TLK... so we can make our own version of the sequel. A much better one."
Nuka says, "We do need some more Outlanders, though. And I know the hyenas want players."
Nuka says, "Shani, if you want, us Outlanders can maybe devise those pseudo-fc Outlanders for folks to adopt?"
Shani says, "Nuka, that's a good idea."
Vitani likes 'Lazy-Eye/Sly-Eye'
Kopa needs to edit his description a bit if he's getting set Juve.
Ed OMG! I love that picture - thanks, Kopa! :~) I totally would've loved to roleplay that, so cute!
Shani says, "If everyone is ok with it, I can set you 4 to juve, if you like."
Kiara says, "I has no problem."
Kopa says, "Sure."
Vitani flees! "Nooooooo, my youth!"
Kovu doesn't care.
Kopa will need to ask Tas how she wants.
Kopa says, "Kovu doesn't have to be Juve if he doesn't want to."
Kopa says, "If he's younger than Vitani."
Kopa says, "It's not that big a gap."
Shani says, "None of you have to change right now.. you can always change later on."
Kopa doesn't mind.
Kopa says, "I just need to change my desc slightly, make Kopa a bit leaner and ask Tas what she wants since she's betrothed to me and all that."
Vitani WHATS?
Shani says, "When you're ready, just let me know and I'll age you up."
Nuka figures people might be willing to adopt Outlanders as opposed to try and work in an OC. "Tas I wanna talk with too, Kopa. I plugged in Kula's story she was born while Scar was still alive, but, now that Malka's been dubbed her dad and this age has been worked out, that idea isn't going to work. Which is no biggie at all."
Simba says, "She's not betrothed to Kopa."
Kopa headdesks.
Shani says, "I'm sorry, Nuka."
Kopa says, "My love triangle."
Vitani fluffs her tuft.
Nuka says, "It's really just idle parent-chatter. We haven't even all spoken about it IC. We figured it'd just be something amusing to run with, even if it doesn't work out."
Shani aws and pets Kopa.
Kopa says, ":wanted the whole drama of being torn between the nice, innocent pridelands girl and wanting to 'save' the bad girl."
Kopa says, "Curse you cruel fates!"
Kopa runs off with Ed!
Vitani isn't bad, she's just drawn that way. =P
Ed eyebrow-waggles!
Ed vamoos!
Shani grins.
Simba says, "Kopa can still do that. Simba put it in his head that he really likes Tas', so Kopa could feel obligated to get to know her, and fall for her if you want. I just don't really like the Kopa/Vitani idea myself personally."
Vitani eyeballs, "And why is that, Mr. Doubting-Mufasa?"
Kopa says, "Because Zira killed his boy and he has a grudge even though Vits had nothing to do with it. XD"
Kopa says, "Don't worry, I'm making a list. ;p"
Vitani says, "'Specially if she's Pridelander spawn."
Vitani says, "Aw crap, but then there's that nose. Hmm."
Kopa says, "What nose?"
Vitani says, "Vitani's Outlander nose opposed to Tama and Tojo's."
Simba says, "It reeks of fanboyism for one, and two, it comes off as very, very cliche' if she ends up with Kopa, that and there is no way in hell Simba would accept her as the Queen, and if Kopa made that choice, he'd be popping out a new heir, frankly. That is because I feel that the events are changed in the way Simba views/portrays the Outlanders."
Nuka says, "Recessive genes. Scar had 'em, afterall."
Kopa says, "Cub Tama had a similar look."
Vitani snorts, "Whatever. If Simba accepted Kovu, why can't he accept Vitani?"
Simba says, "In TLK2 there was this over the top love story involved, where EVERYONE GOT ALONG AND SUNG KUMBIYAH. In this game, Zira murdered his son, and he sees them as not only the enemy, but as the reason why he can't sleep at night. With Vitani having Zira's upbringing, he'd never trust her, and there's not enough Upendi in the world that'd change his mind."
Kopa chuckles. "Except it doesn't work that way."
Kopa says, "You can't just pop out a new heir, it's not your choice. You'd have to kill your own son first."
Simba says, "Simba can pop out a new heir if he wants to. It's my character."
Kopa says, "You can pop out a new cub. But he's not heir."
Shani says, "I'd like to see Simba pop out anything myself.."
Kopa snickers.
Shani grins, "How can Simba have a cub?"
Kopa says, "Very carefully."
Shani laughs.
Simba says, "You know what I mean. I'm just saying, is that if Simba did not agree with how things started coming about, he wouldn't make Kopa the King."
Ed says, "Just pray upon a wishing star and the friendly storkman brings your baby by! It's Disney."
Kopa says, "Again, it's not your choice."
Simba says, "Again, it is MY choice. It's not yours. You need to really come to terms with that."
Kopa says, "You're King, but you don't control the Circle of Life."
Kopa says, "It is not your choice."
Kopa says, "You control Simba, that's it."
Vitani says, "And the game controls Simba, too."
Nuka just feels that whatever people choose to do, IC=ICC. Regardless of plans or OOC opinions.
Kopa says, "Simba might not accept it, but then he'd be straying into Scar's territory and defying the Circle of Life."
Kopa says, "If you want to go that route, it's your call and you're free to do it."
Shani says, "Guys, please. We all know that it doesn't matter what is planned. Things could and may change."
Kopa nods.
Shani says, "We're just talking things out here. Besides, right now ICly no one has met yet, am I right?"
Ed doesn't see what the problem is -- in the movie, Kovu and Kiara get together despite Simba's opposition, so if Simba's play will roleplay a Simba that would also be opposed to Vitani + Kopa, then they'll just have to go through a similar thing if their players are intent upon the match? It sounds like what everybody wants to do and it's perfectly sensible in terms of the characters as they're defined in the film. So - 100 percent success!
simba's play = simba's player
Kopa says, "It's not important right now, anyway, what happens will happen and that's a long way down the road in any case."
Shani nods, "Right."
Vitani says, "Uh huh."
Kovu says, "Bedtime. Alarm goes off in < seven hours."
Simba says, "I really feel at this point, that I have no control over my character to be honest."
Simba says, "Is this Kopa's character, or is it mine, Shani?"
Kopa says, "You're missing my point, Simba."
Vitani says, "Good grief."
Kopa says, "You have full control over Simba."
Kopa says, "It's just that everybody else has the same control over their characters."
Kopa says, "ICly you can say 'Oh yeah? Well Kopa won't be King.' but that's Simba saying it. Rafiki, Nala, Kopa and others might say 'Yes he will.' and you'll have to deal with that."
Simba says, "And that's fine, but I don't want you OOC telling me how it's going to be, period."
Kovu has disconnected.
Kopa says, "It might not is all I'm saying."
Vitani says, "It's just /discussion/"
Nuka says, "However, it really does come off like that. Right now, it just honestly sounds like Kopa has his plan and be damned with what anyone things, there is nothing anyone IC can do about it, and no IC consequences will be accepted. It may not be how you intend to say it, but it comes out sounding like it. Whatever you do, fine. But, I just want to ensure that whatever anyone chooses, they responsibly accept any consequences from it - IC and OOC."
Timon is no longer in the pose order.
Kopa says, "Of course, Nuka. That's always the way it is and it goes both ways."
Ed nailnibbles nervously. "Please cool out, guys! It's all just fun - everybody can agree to just let things roleplay out naturally, however their players decide! Can't we drop it at that?"
Shani says, "For the most part, Simba is yours. But as you know FCs are different than OCs."
Kopa says, "I accept responsibility for what I choose to do with my character, Simba does the same and so on. That's all part of the interaction."
Kopa says, "One character can't control another in any way."
Vitani says, "Not if...I put a spell on yoooouuu! *fluffs her hair and blinkblinks*"
Kopa says, "But I do agree with Shani, FCs are different from OCs."
Kopa says, "You're more restricted as an FC, I think."
Shani says, "A character can forbid another character to do something, but it's up to the second char as to whether or not to follow. This is true of any character, be it FC, Pseudo Fc or OC."
Kopa nods.
Kopa says, "Like Mufasa telling Simba never to go to the Elephant Graveyard."
Shani says, "Fcs are set to a higher standard and usually have a strict form to follow."
Kopa nods.
Except for Ed.
Shani throws Ed a bone.
Kopa says, "If Ed ever actually started talking in intelligent sentences I'd protest."
Simba says, "I just feel that things were set in stone before I got the character, and it's at a point where I have to accept it or else."
Nuka says, "Kingship is a little different than boundaries, though. Disobeying a rule IC carries a much different weight than outright challenging a King. Still... if you intend to have guidelines and forms for FC's, than I would strongly suggest outlining those. For all of our sanities."
Kopa says, "Well, that's the problem with playing Simba."
Kopa says, "Everybody knows him and they expect him to act in a certain way."
Shenzi has connected.
Kopa says, "It's a huge responsibility, I don't think the other FCs have that much baggage attatched to them."
Simba says, "Well, I can't make him act a certain way if we're changing the story line, and ensuring that this is not following TLK2's story plot. So, he's not going to act like Simba from TLK 2, he's going to act like Simba, the way I worked him out in my application, and the one that was approved upon by the wizzes."
Shenzi wonders if she can get of log what she missed?
Nuka says, "Still.. if the idea of this was to take an original spin, than obviously things are going to deviate. Am I playing Nuka like a drooling moron? No. But he's that way in the movies. Did Simba's son get killed in the movies? No, than, how can we expect him to be the cute and fluffy king?"
Kopa never thought of him as cute and fluffy, he was kind of a jackass in TLK II.
Shani says, "If we were following the movie then there would be certain things that must happen. That isn't the way here. We are not following TLK2. We are following TLK and what may have happened."
Shani can send you a log, Shenzi.
Kopa says, "Right and whatever happened might change in the future, none of these characters are set in stone."
Kopa says, "Something might happen to mellow Simba, Nuka might kill Kovu, Zira might go totally batshit. Who knows?"
Kopa says, "Kopa might crack. It's all up in the air."
Shenzi says, "Thanks."
Nuka says, "Then, by those words, there is a level of expected and accepted change, yes? Then, all I'm saying, is if this is an open sandbox that it remain OPEN. If there is something predetermined, than it needs to be explained ahead of time and in detail."
Nuka says, "And, with that, I'm going to excuse myself. I have work in the morning and I'd rather not go to bed utterly riled up."
Simba says, "Exactly, so why am I being told: Simba can't change his mind on who is the future heir/King, but then turn around and say: But anything can happen!!111 I just saw a huge double standard and backtracking right there."
Shani says, "The point is Kopa and Vitani may not get together, they may. Kovu and Kiara may get together, they may not. Kiara could end up with someone else. Nothing is written in stone, it's up to you, the players."
Kopa says, "Exactly."
Kopa says, "Well..."
Kopa sighs.
Vitani claws.
Shenzi says, "I sense that this isn't going great."
Simba says, "I'm going to bed guys."
Nuka goes home.
Nuka has left.
Simba says, "I have like.. you know, real shit to do, then sit around and get frustrated over a game."
Vitani says, "That's a lame blow. >.>"
Simba says, "I'll see you tomorrow night after my test. I'll get some scenes in."
Shenzi says, "See ya, good luck!"
Simba says, "Thanks. :/"
Kopa says, "Cya, dad."
Simba goes home.
Simba has left.
Kopa sighs.
Shani says, "I do feel that the only thing that can not be changed is who is the heir. There is no point in having the opening scene otherwise just to change minds again."
Kopa says, "It's not Simba's choice. It's the Circle. That's what the whole ritual is about."
Kopa says, "At least that's what Rafiki's player decided."
Shenzi says, "Since when does Rafiki get to choose the heir? :/"
Kopa says, "Simba can't change it anymore than Scar can, that's the one power he doesn't have as King."
Kopa says, "He doesn't but he does the rituals that confirm it."
Kopa says, "He's the one in contact with the spirits and the circle."
Shenzi says, "Ultimately, it's up to the players, ya?"
Shani says, "Fate decides who becomes king, not the king."
Shenzi says, "There are no real spirits, no real circle, it's a player on a compuer making choices."
Shenzi says, "So.. the person who'd be giving up the position should have the choice. I think."
Ed says, "...but faeries are still real, right Shenzi? :~("
Shenzi says, "No! "
Kopa says, "Well, in a sense, Shenzi."
Shenzi says, "No, not in a sense, for real!"
Shenzi says, "What, is this a magical game?"
Kopa says, "Wait a sec."
Shani sighs...
Shenzi says, "Rafiki's player should have -NO- say in who the heir is, in my opinion. "
Kopa says, "He doesn't!"
Kopa says, "It's just that Rafiki is the one that does the confirmation...forget it."
Kopa says, "Look, let me put it another way."
Shenzi says, "You don't need to put it another way."
Shenzi says, "I know what you're saying: I disagree."
Kopa says, "Suppose we had a player running Scar and he decided he wasn't going to quit being King even though everybody was against him ICly and OOCly?"
Ed says, "That would be the Scar-iest thing to do. :~)"
Kopa says, "Hypothetically speaking."
Shani says, "All I want is for you players to be happy with your RP. This isn't TLKM."
Vitani hardy harhars.
Vitani says, "Funny, Simba reminds me of a certain other King."
Shani asks, "Is anyone here unhappy?"
Kopa says, "There are always going to be players unhappy with some RP, Shani."
Shani laughs, "I know I am.."
Ed is /very/ unhappy. but that owes to a wide range of personal problems ~ I'm fine with the game, sure!
Vitani says, "As it stands, things are sounding less enjoyable. Potentially a chore to sit out a scene."
Shenzi says, "I'm not doin' so great. For selfish reasons that can't really be helped without more players, but the Graveyard is like.. minimal. And it seems like no matter how I try to get them in a bigger plot, the idea is either shut down, or just ignored, or something. So I'm sitting here making Shenzi risk her butt to get some RP variety in, aaaaand yeah. XD"
Shani ahems.
Kopa says, "The problem is that nobody is going to like everything."
Shani says, "I do wish we had more players here."
Kopa says, "Simba won't like some of the RP's I might do, I won't like some of the stuff Simba does, Vitani might not like something Nuka does, Shenzi might not like stuff Rafiki does. That's just the way of things."
Shani nods, "True, true."
Vitani says, "S'ok. Zira'll rip him into shape."
Kopa says, "Not if he says 'No.'"
Vitani slumps.
Kopa pets Tani.
Kopa says, "I suppose all we can do is just keep things rolling and see what happens."
Kopa has apparently already said enough for one meeting.
Ed says, "Well, my philosophy is that OOC and IC just don't get mixed-up! Everybody poses whatever they wanna pose and everybody replies as they please and it all ends there."
Kopa says, "Well, the problem with that is that it isn't always possible Ed."
Vitani says, "Kiara? Anything at all?"
Shani says, "There should be a bit of drama... I've always found it fun to RP out."
Kopa says, "That's what I don't get."
Kiara isn't sure what to add.
Kopa says, "No, nevermind."
Vitani says, "This feels like...Drama-drama-drama. Like high school or something. Painful."
Shani says, "I'm sorry your plans fell through, Shenzi. But I'd be willing to RP Chaka's death with you and we can post it to the forum after."
Ed says, "Give those kids in the highschool drama department a break, Vitani - they suffered so many budget cutbacks this year!"
Kopa would be willing to RP Chaka's death, too.
Vitani grumbles, "He said, she said and all that jazz."
Shenzi is no longer in the pose order.
Ed jazzdances!
Shenzi says, "It's not even that "my plans" fell through; I thought that it was a set plot that was to be played out. They weren't MY plans.. I was just a minor part of them."
Shenzi says, "But, seriously. My concern is with the hyena clan."
Kopa says, "Simba..."
Shenzi says, "We're very small, and we're not getting more players."
Kopa says, "He didn't seem to want to do it, Shenzi."
Shenzi says, "Don't blame it on Simba. :/"
Shani says, "If I recall right, we had talked about a small group RPing it out."
Kopa shrugs.
Shenzi says, "It's not Simba's fault. It's no one's FAULT, it just didn't work out and I didn't know about it."
Shani says, "But I can't remember if Zira wanted to join in or not."
Kopa says, "I suppose."
Shenzi says, "I just would've liked to have known about it before hand, that's all."
Kopa says, "We should've posted something, yeah."
Kopa has just forgotten what's been posted on the forums and what hasn't and whose read what and so on.
Shani says, "The talk just kind of fell off after and no one posted about it after that."
Kopa nods.
Shenzi says, "Well, do you see what my problem is, though? How hard it is to think of an idea to get the clan involved, and then to have the one good idea just.. disappear? :["
Shani says, "There was a lot that was talked about there that never surfaced."
Shenzi says, "And wtf. Make a hyena alt, all of you'se! "
Kopa says, "I still could've happened, though."
Shenzi says, "Yeah, I was under the impression that it was going to happen since everyone seemed to be for it."
Kopa doesn't want any alts, Shenzi, he has enough problems dealing with the one character he's got, apparently.
Kopa says, "Not that I wouldn't help you if I could, of course."
Shani nods and understands. "I don't know the first things about hyenas, or I would get one."
Shenzi says, "What'd really help is if we could get a plot; that WILL be played out, that everyone can participate in."
Shenzi says, "So far we've got the hyenas hunting in the Pridelands bit, but that kind of leaves out the Outlanders."
Shenzi says, "Unless maybe the Outlanders start poaching and pinning the crimes on the hyenas."
Kopa says, "Have the Outlanders start poaching hyena kills."
Kopa says, "Out of my head! ;p"
Shenzi says, "Haha. "
Shani says, "Then, let's think of something to get everyone involved."
Timon says, "That... actually sounds good. If I were to get a meerkat group they'd likely already get involved now that Shenzi's eaten a meerkat right at the rock."
Shani blinks. "She did??"
Kopa says, "Well, the hyenas have already angered the Pridelanders so if the Outlanders start poaching kills it isn't far-fetched to believe that the Pridelanders, already suspicious will start blaming the hyenas."
Kopa says, "Yep"
Kopa says, "Right in front of Kopa and Kula."
Shani shudders.
Shenzi says, "That's another thing though! I really, /really/ don't want there to be all out wars between all groups. Too much conflict makes RP very not fun for me. :["
Shani grins, "Bad Shenzi."
Shenzi says, "Hehe. :]"
Shenzi says, "Soooooo?"
Kopa says, "I'm thinking."
Kopa says, "What would Shenzi do to prove herself and the clan to the Pridelands, though."
Shenzi says, "Nothing. XD"
Kopa says, "Well, that's a conundrum. XD"
Shenzi says, "She doesn't want to be accepted back into the pridelands. She just doesn't want to be told that she can't hunt there."
Shani says, "Remember, Shenzi feels she's owed."
Shenzi says, "Like.. she doesn't want to LIVE there."
Shenzi says, "Just HUNT there."
Kopa says, "Yeah, I know. It's just that if the hyenas are seen as breaking the rules even if it's the Outlanders doing 90% of it someone needs to come to bat for the hyenas or else a three front war WILL be what's going on."
Kopa says, "Or at the very least the hyenas will lose their hunting rights."
Shani says, "And the pridelanders remember how what happened the last time the hyenas hunted there and refuse to let it happen again."
Shenzi says, "Yeah, but that wasn't ONLY the hyenas' fault."
Kopa says, "I know, Shenzi. But explain that to the angry lionesses."
Kopa says, "And the meerkats."
Vitani says, "I like the contingency of Shenzi discovering Kopa-death and Simba owing her that way."
Vitani says, "Chaka****"
Kopa isn't dead! He got better! ;.;
Kopa says, "Vitani just wants me dead. ;.;"
Kopa says, "She dreams about it every night."
Vitani patpats...for now.
Shani smiles, "They are natural enemies and always will be... but maybe they could reach a truce."
Shenzi says, "I like that too. Plus the fact that the hyenas killed Scar and helped him in that way, though they've already used that bit to their advantage."
Vitani saw an art of a remorseful Shenzi with Scar-blood on her muzzle. "Is she regretful?"
Kopa says, "The hyenas might have another ace up their sleeve a ways down the line, too."
Shenzi says, "I saw that too. No, I wouldn't say that the way I play Shenzi, that she'd be remorseful."
Shani says, "Do you think Shenzi would be able to catch Zira?"
Ed says, "um ed saved kopa from crocs "
Shenzi says, "In fact, I think she's bragged about killing Scar."
Shenzi says, "If I remember right."
Shenzi says, "You mean like, catch her as in see her?"
Kopa says, "Heh, the hyenas corraling ZIra and bringing her back for trial?"
Kopa says, "Yes, there's Ed's contribution, too."
Shani nodnods, "Right, Kopa."
Kopa says, "But Kopa's word doesn't count for all that much."
Kopa says, "And I'm not sure if he'd speak up after what he's seen."
Vitani imagines a circle of hyenas trotting along with a howling-mad Zira in the middle.
Kopa says, "Maybe Asante will change his mind one day."
Ed says, "But Ed didn't hurt that meerkat. "
Kopa says, "No, no, I'm not blaming Ed."
Ed says, "Oh good. "
Kopa AFKs for a sec.
Vitani flees for a nature call.
Vitani goes Be-Right-Back (BRB).
Shenzi says, "Oh, as in physically catch her? Heck yeah. If we can still do the NPC'd hyena numbers since.. there ARE a lot cannonically, just not here on the MUCK, then heck yes."
Shenzi says, "By the way, Simba said he'd be up for that opening trial scene."
Shani says, "I have no problems with you using NPCs. I don't think you'd abuse it."
Kopa says, "Back"
Shani wbs.
Shenzi says, "No, I wouldn't. It'd only be temporary. It's just that, we have what, maybe 6 hyena players? There are like 80 in the movie. XD"
Kopa says, "I think there are far too many hyenas in the clan to ever have players for them, honestly. They just aren't as popular as lions or even the other big cats."
Kopa says, "So spoofing NPC hyenas works really well."
Shani says, "I think having the trial would be a fun idea. And get a lot of players involved, too."
Kopa says, "Except we've been RPing that as if it alread happened.

[Shani]

Shenzi says, "Yeah, I know. But.. man. There are 45 lions and 7 hyenas. We'd definitely need to spoof some."
Vitani goes Out-Of-Character (OOC).
Shenzi says, "So? It can be back-scened."
Kopa says, "Not all of those are Pridelanders or even Outlanders, though."
Kopa says, "True."
Shenzi says, "But still. My point is: vastly, almost ridiculously overpopulated. Compared to hyenas, I'm saying. "
Shenzi says, "That's just my defense for spoofing hyenas, even though everyone agreed anyway. XD"
Kopa says, "It's that way on any TLK MUCK, I'm afraid."
Kopa says, "Lions are always going to be the most popular."
Shani nods, "We do have way too many lions. But, what can you do."
Shenzi says, "Lawl. I would say 'limit them', but I guess that wouldn't really be cool."
Kopa says, "By the way, anyone logging this?"
Shani is.
Shani may even post it on the forum.
Kopa says, "Cool, could you send a copy to Kibibi, I promised her one."
Kopa nods.
Shani just will need her email.
Kopa says, "I don't have it. XD"
Kopa says, "You could PM it to her on the forums."
Vitani says, "It's hidden on the forum, do wizzes have privilege?"
Shani could try that.
Shani can see all the addys, yes.
Kopa says, "So, we've settled the age thing which was one of the major things, right?"
Shani believes so.
Kopa says, "Adol for Nuka, Juves for the others except maybe Kovu?"
Shani nods, "If they want, yes."
Vitani says, "And da fambly's... Tama + Tojo = Vitani?"
Kopa nods.
Kopa says, "If you and Zira want it, sure."
Vitani says, "Alrighties."
Shenzi says, "Woah, wut? "
Vitani grins. =D
Shenzi says, "Why would Zira have Vitani.. if she's Tama and Tojo's daughter?"
Shenzi says, "No offense, but that makes no sense. D:"
Vitani says, "She ripp'ed dem otta da womb. >=D"
Kopa says, "God..."
Shenzi says, "...wut."
Vitani grins.
Kopa says, "That was Simba's suggestion on how Zira got Vits."
Kopa says, "Ripped her out of her mother's womb."
Shenzi says, "That.. is.. odd."
Kopa says, "Just a bit."
Shenzi says, "For lack of a better word. D;"
Vitani says, "I thought you'd go for it, SHenzi!"
Shenzi says, "Not so much."
Shenzi says, "It makes no sense. D:"
Shenzi says, "Why would Zira rip a cub out of it's mother's womb?"
Kiara says, "For the lulz?"
Kopa says, "Damnit sis!"
Kopa says, "Stealing my thoughts."
Kiara smiles innocently.
Shenzi says, "Lulz don't exist in the sensical brainstorming sense. :["
Vitani long exhale... "Oooookay. Zira was jealous mostly, and stole Vitani. It could be through any means, really, but those two (Tama and Tojo) seem to most resemble Vitani.
Shenzi says, "No, seriously."
Kopa says, "Zira's sensical?"
Shenzi says, "Eh. Still doesn't make much sense to me. :/"
Shenzi says, "She's got no reason to be jealous of Tama or Tojo."
Shenzi says, "She only cared about Scar. "
And Sharvi.
Vitani says, "Well, otherwise it was non-existant Sharvi player. I like the thought of her secretly being a Pridelander but raised knowing nothing but Zira and hate."
Kopa says, "Could be that Tama was one of Simba's supporters or something and Zira wanted revenge in the same way she wanted to kill Chaka."
Kopa says, "Twist a pretty little Pridelander into her personal killing machine."
Kopa says, "Delicious irony just like Scar would've wanted."
Vitani says, "My other thought was that the jealousy stemmed from a secret afair between Scar and another lioness. I imagine there had to have been a few."
Shenzi says, "Honestly, that sounds like a =waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay= out there idea. To me."
Somewhere on the muck, Maha has connected.
Kopa shrugs. "Maybe. Zira might agree or she might have another explanation."
Shenzi says, "Like one that makes sense aaaaaand is mostly canonical? "
Vitani says, "SCAR + SARABI 4EVA! *steaks*"
Vitani streaks***
Kiara likes steak.
Kopa says, "None of this is technically canon anymore, Shenzi. XD"
Vitani cracks up at herself. XD
Shenzi says, "If it's not canon, then there is like no reason for FCs. :/"
Kopa often screams Scar + Sarabi 4Eva while eating steak, actually.
Kopa says, "It's canon up to TLK. After that it's up in the air."
Shenzi says, "Yeah, I get that. But to have a lioness RIP A CUB OUT OF A WOMB is pretty ridiculous."
Kopa says, "That's not gonna happen."
Vitani gets a hilarious tourrets image of Kopa. "Maybe he and Nuka and Ed could become friends."
Ed says, "A woman did that once at a Wal-Mart near where I live, I think."
Kopa says, "Simba was just...I dunno."
Shenzi says, "Then how's it gonna happen?"
Shenzi says, "Actually, I don't care. Whatever, it's your character."
Kopa says, "Zira just kills Tama and steals Vitani."
Shenzi says, "I thought we had a Tama player."
Kopa says, "Why/How, I dunno."
Kopa says, "I was thinking on it."
Shenzi says, "Well, you need to know the why/hows."
Vitani says, "Cross-dresser!"
Kopa says, "That's not my job. That's between Vitani and ZIra."
Kopa says, "I only deal with Kopa."
Shenzi says, "Things don't just happen for convenience."
Kopa shrugs, "Vitani liked the idea so it's her ball. She's got to make the play to Zira and see how she likes it."
Shenzi says, "I /know./"
Shenzi says, "I'm just saying that it sounds very iffy."
Shani says, "If Zira likes the idea, the how and why can be figured out then."
Shenzi says, "Voicing my opinion, if'n that's alright."
Kopa nods, "Sure."
Vitani says, "Well, something along the lines of illustrating Zira's viciousness. It doesn't have to be death gore and blood, but even just a 'You don't deserve to have a cub, /I/ the leader!' deal."
Kopa says, "Even though you're a filthy scavenger. XD"
Shenzi says, "Yeah, only not. :]"
Vitani says, "Who's that to?"
Kopa says, "You'll always be a filthy scavenger to me ICly, Shenzi, even in the face of scientific evidence. ;p"
Shenzi says, "Wonderful."
Kopa is just kidding.
Kopa loves ya, Shenz.
Shenzi says, "I know, I'm just in a mood now. XD"
Kopa says, "Well, that makes two of us. "
Shenzi says, "Shup, you've got a billion lions to go cry to. I've got ..6 hyenas. :["
Kopa says, "Yeah, I cry to them and they tell me 'It's in the past, Hakuna Matata! But I'll disown you if you look at an Outlander girl!'"
Ed only counts as half of a hyena. :B
Vitani could bring her otherwise non-existant hyena char. over this way.
Kopa says, "Anyway, I'm gonna call it. Catch you all later."
Shenzi says, "Any more hyena characters would help, honestly."
Vitani says, "Good night. Thanks for the input."
Kopa says, "Sure thing, cya."
Shani says, "Is there anything anyone wants to talk about?"
Kopa says, "I think the best bet for attracting more hyenas is to keep playing and try to establish the hyenas as their own group like you've been doing and show other players they're more than they were stereotyped to be in TLK."
Kopa says, "That's about all I can offer on it."
Kopa says, "Cya."
Kopa goes home.
Kopa has left.
Ed flops.
Shani says, "No one has anything I guess."
Vitani just had to page-bug Kopa about his eye colour.
Vitani says, "...and...Ghost Scar!"
Shani ohs? "what's wrong with his eye color?"
Shani laughs.. Ghost Scar..
Shenzi says, "So.. um. I'm confused."
Shenzi says, "Are going to do the trial thing, or are we going to do the Outlanders poach - blame on hyenas thing?"
Vitani says, "He has it as green, or emerald. Most representations have Kopa with brown eyes."
Shani says, "I'm not sure, Shenzi... we never got to decide."
You page, "Right." to Kopa.
Shani says, "I don't know where he got emerald from."
Vitani says, "He said Nala. He 'didn't want to be another Simba clone.'"
Shenzi sighs. :[
Shani says, "But Nala's are more a sea green, teal color than emerald."
Shani says, "I like the trial idea better though."
Vitani says, "Well, that general green family. Obviously not brown."
Shenzi says, "I'm sorry. I'm not trying to be so contrary and difficult and jerk-ish, but yeah. I'm still at a loss for what to do with the clan. I didn't get much a chance to discuss because of friggen' work."
Shani nods and hugs, "I know... Maybe you can at the muckwide meeting?"
Shenzi says, "Eh. I'd almost rather not."
Shenzi says, "Playing a hyena is hard. I feel like my character is being forced into being a recluse, with really no opportunities to have scenes with anyone unless you risk getting caught and getting in trouble and the clan ICly starving and stuff."
Shani says, "Your main trouble is you have no clan, I'm sure. Is there anyone you can try to bring over to build it up?"
Shenzi says, "I've tried. I think it's destined to fail. XD"
Shani awws.
Shenzi says, "I honestly think that if we don't have a sort of TP in which they're included, that the clan won't do well. I have my doubts even with the TP, but at least that'd help."
Shani says, "I think we're small enough that we can have a TP that'll include the hyenas, lions, meerkats and all. Which one would you really prefer to do, the trial of Zira or Poaching Outlanders Blame Hyenas?"
Shani says, "We'd need to see how Zira feels about the trial first before we went ahead with it."
Shenzi says, "I would -prefer- the trial, but that's harder to do. We'd almost have to go with forum-RP since it's hard to get all the FCs together.. whereas, the poaching idea would be much easier on-MUCK."
Shani hmms, "Let's see how Zira likes the ideas, then we can go from there."
Shenzi says, "Alrighty. But, haha, even with the poaching idea.. it still puts the hyenas in a bad situation. We can't win! XD"
Shani laughs, "You know, you're right."
Shenzi says, "The trial would be better for their reputation, definitely. The fact that they'd go to Simba and let him know, and that they're telling the truth."
Vitani says, "Like the National Geographic program: Lion and Hyenas, Eternal Enemies."
Shenzi says, "It's just the numbers, too. That's like.. a big problem for us. XD"
Shani nodnods.
Ed have ideeur.
Shenzi says, "Oh?"
Shani waits for Ed's ideeur.
Ed says, "nevermind it was terrible :B"
Shenzi says, "SAY IT"
Kiara shakes Ed.
Shani pouts, "Come on, Eddy. Tell us."
Shenzi says, "ED"
Shani says, "While we wait for Ed.. Kiara, anything to add, problems, concerns?"
Kiara says, "No problems at this time."
Shani nods, "Anyone else have anything to add, problems or concerns?"
Ed izzunt gonna say it. :B It was getting waaaay too complicated.
Shenzi says, "Come ooooon. We need any ideas."
Shenzi says, "I'm not even joking!"
Ed says, "Well just have the trial with different witnesses and questioners and, if necessary, judges, on different days, then you don't have to get everyone together at once plus it ends up involving everyone ultimately. Who knows who might get dragged into it? But this idea may have been predicated upon an erroneous view of what you want your trial to consist of - or to accomplish."
Shani says, "That may just work.... in real trials not everyone shows up at the same time. Only when they are called."
Shenzi says, "That's a good idea! Only, I would really prefer to have the hyenas there throughout the entire TP, since it'd ultimately be helping them."
Shani says, "Well, as Shenzi is the leader, she'd no doubt be there for the whole trial."
Shenzi says, "Yeeesh. :]"
Shenzi says, "Well, I have to go now."
Shenzi says, "So, thanks for hosting the meeting and to everyone else for their opinions. :]"
Shenzi says, "And sorry for being a witch. XD"
Shenzi goes home.
Shenzi has left.
Shani says, "I think we can end it here. Thanks to you all for coming and I hope to see you at the muckwide meeting."

[Stahi]

YEEEAH WOMB RIPPING WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

[maybesimba]

The whole Womb thing was mostly a joke when I threw it out, I was trying to be creative, and put something else out there for the players to chew on, since we were tossing ideas our left and right.

It was to be tongue in cheek. I wouldn't expect Zira to actually tear a cub out of a womb.

[Kopa]

Apr 9, 2010 13:51:50 GMT -5 @maybesimba said:

The whole Womb thing was mostly a joke when I threw it out, I was trying to be creative, and put something else out there for the players to chew on, since we were tossing ideas our left and right.

It was to be tongue in cheek. I wouldn't expect Zira to actually tear a cub out of a womb.

I on the other hand do!

[Shani]

Apr 9, 2010 14:45:41 GMT -5 Kopa said:

Apr 9, 2010 13:51:50 GMT -5 @maybesimba said:

The whole Womb thing was mostly a joke when I threw it out, I was trying to be creative, and put something else out there for the players to chew on, since we were tossing ideas our left and right.

It was to be tongue in cheek. I wouldn't expect Zira to actually tear a cub out of a womb.

I on the other hand do!

Kopa, you are SO bad!

[Kibibi]

I'll just quickly throw in my two Rafiki cents:

No, Rafiki does not choose the heir. What he does is officially designate the chosen heir as heir. To put it another way, he's like the Archbishop of Canterbury. Does the Archbishop of Canterbury decide who becomes the next king or queen of England? Of course not! It's merely his job to perform the coronation ceremony. And it's merely Rafiki's job to perform the heir presentation ceremony. He could, theoretically, refuse to do the ceremony (though I don't see him refusing to do his duty in pretty much any situation where it's clear what his duty is) but that's the limit to what he could control.

How the heir is chosen does not matter to me. I'd assumed that we were going with oldest child or oldest child with a male preference, or it could be that the king and queen choose. Don't know, don't care - the order of succession is neither my nor Rafiki's business. What does matter to me is two things: First, this ceremony is normally done very young - what I've penciled in is that it happens as soon as the cubs eyes open normally (the exception would be a replacement heir, who would probably be older). Second, once the heir has been ceremonially presented as heir they are the heir and they remain heir until they become the leader or they die. Absolutely nothing else can change who the official heir is once the ceremony is done - it's pretty much set in stone. Even if they abdicate they're still technically heir (though in that situation they're unlikely to be recognized as such except as a technicality). Now, theoretically there could be more than one official heir if the ceremony was repeated, and though Heir #2 could become the leader instead of Heir #1, Heir #1 would still be heir and that could pose problems; if Heir #2 became king, Heir #1 would simply have to kill Heir #2 in order to be able to claim the throne, for example. Also, Rafiki would be well aware of the complications and be reluctant to make a second heir - not that he's an unreasonable monkey, but he would need to be convinced that it was a good idea.

Of course, all of the above only applies to officially recognized heirs. There's always the possibility of heirs that aren't officially recognized running around (like, isn't Kovu one of those in TLK 2?) who could then become not officially recognized kings or queens who nevertheless manage to put themselves in charge (like Scar perhaps?). This is also completely outside of Rafiki's control; all he does is the ceremony.

[Kopa]

That's pretty much how I see it to, Rafiki. The ceremony is an official thing that designates the heir and that makes them so until they take the rulership or die. That doesn't mean they couldn't be killed or challenged or something like that from an internal or external source since things like coups and invasions are always a possibility. The question then becomes if others accept it or not and what all might happen as a result of something like that. We saw a small inkling of that from what happened with Scar so its really hard to say what might happen if it was someone totally outside the bloodline.

Naturally, designating another heir's also a possibility, but that might cause similar complications as what I just mentioned above. If the original heir is still alive it causes tension and there would have to be a good reason for Rafiki to do it in such a case. I suppose that if Rafiki wouldn't do it whoever wanted to skip over a current heir could try and find a replacement for Rafiki as shaman but then that makes things even more complicated.

[Msaidizi]

Dagnabit, the hole in the clouds just isn't aiming the sunbeam on Kopa.

[Kopa]

Apr 11, 2010 8:23:40 GMT -5 Msaidizi said:

Dagnabit, the hole in the clouds just isn't aiming the sunbeam on Kopa.

Left, darnit! A little to the left!

[Shani]

I agree completely with Rafiki and Kopa. It seems like that's the way it has been and always will be.

[LesLymn]

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