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Post by Kibibi on Apr 12, 2010 14:33:34 GMT -5
My first thought is that Nala would be the one comforting Kopa, but sure Rafiki could do it. And it'd free up Nala to fully participate in the trial, which I'm sure she'd really enjoy. When it comes to Chaka's funeral, I was under the impression that it'd happen after the trial if Zira was caught relatively quickly - funerals shouldn't be rushed. Though I suppose that it would have happened in between if Zira was on the lam for awhile. But I'm not really interested in doing the funeral scene, mostly because I just barely finished coming up with the funeral ritual and I'm not sure how much I like it yet. Besides, it's probably better if we don't overcomplicate things by doing too many opening scenes - the trial and the heir ceremony should be plenty.
Kibibi wouldn't have been able to chase down Zira. You lions can run circles around an elephant. But if Zira was cornered by someone else then Kibibi would have no trouble going in and either convincing her to come quietly or hauling her back by force, especially since she'd be pretty angry at the time. (Kibibi is scary when she's that angry.) It'd help explain why they manage to get her to the trial without there being a bloodbath, anyway. And if Kibibi was simply standing nearby during the trial it'd also discourage the various parties from attacking eachother since she's liable to rumble and glare at anyone who starts acting aggressively.
I think the rules for it should be no pose order and you can post as often as you want, but no double posting and active people should restrain themselves from leaving less active people in the dust. Pose length should be reasonable - writing a novel every post is unneccessary and irritating to busy people, but if you're responding to ten previous posts it takes a lot of words. Those are the rules I'm familiar with from my forum RPG days and it seems to work well to leave things up to other's judgement like that, unless you think it's liable to be too chaotic.
What I think we really need to tap down at this point is exactly where in the proceedings we're starting and at least the jist of what happened before that.
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Post by Asante on Apr 12, 2010 16:08:09 GMT -5
Not to interrupt your planning and I'm in support of both scenes though I may not be in them as Asante would have been no older than Kopa if that at the time of the trial and so on.
But since this is open discussion I was wondering with the hyenas in the graveyard and for the most part not in the pridelands are they any problems due to lack of hyenas?
I know the hyenas on here are not real hyenas (real hyenas don't talk, are prettier overall and with the proper training and permits make good pets. They /are/ kept as such by some peoples in Africa instead of dogs).
I wonder if a lack of hyenas could cause unforseen problems for the pridelands and here is why.
Fact: Hyenas are hunters, they have great stamina and can eat nearly anything.
Example from real life:
Give a freshly killed Zebra to a small (about six) group of hyenas and watch from a safe distance.
In 15 minutes all that will be left of it will be a few blood smears on the ground.
Hyenas can eat bones, horns and hooves of prey animals (they can't digest fur so like owls it goes all the way through but it's probably good for the dirt with all that calcium).
Yes hyenas and lions fight for the same food (though IRL the lions are the 'villains' more often than not but /this/ isn't real life).
/But/ hyenas are an important part of the 'circle of life' as are vultures.
But vultures while awesome in there own right for cleaning up the dead prey and being able to safely eat the diseased can't always cut open what they want to eat. Hyenas have very strong jaws and teeth and so they don't have this problem and can do the job for the vultures (usually unwittingly) Also vultures can't eat bones or horns or hooves.
Before anyone thinks I expect the pridelands to be like they were under Scar's rule because there's no hyeans I'll say that I'm not suggesting that. I know Simba's a good king and wouldn't let that happen (plus under Scar there was over hunting and a drought. The first was only partly the hyena's fault and the second was no one's fault).
I know the hyenas were the villian's sidekicks but even Scar was part of the circle. He died and fed the hyenas and stuff. And who knows what happen to Muffasa after he died. Unless the lions burry their dead or something (Don't know why they would) Muffy more than likely was eaten by other animals. That's the way the circle works doesn't it? How else would he 'become the grass'?
(Sorry for misspellings and the long post but I have the feeling this may not be a popular topic).
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Post by Shani on Apr 12, 2010 19:30:34 GMT -5
Hmm, good points everyone. I think, for simplicity's sake, it would be a wise choice to start the forum RP with the trial and say that the hyenas brought Zira in, with maybe Kibibi's help? But, we would probably need to wait for Simba, as being king he is both judge and jury. But, I was thinking... would Simba be able to be bypartial and not let his emotions rule?
As for only Rafiki and Kopa being needed, am I right to assume that this would be for the opening scene? If I am, I would think that at least Simba or Nala should be here to offer Kopa moral support, it wouldn't look right and to me, make it seem as if his parents wouldn't want him as the heir.
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Post by Shenzi on Apr 12, 2010 19:39:30 GMT -5
I honestly think that it should be the hyenas who corner Zira, and sort of herd her back into the sight of the Pridelanders. They are supposed to be the witnesses, it'd make sense if they forced her back.
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Post by Kopa on Apr 12, 2010 20:36:40 GMT -5
I honestly think that it should be the hyenas who corner Zira, and sort of herd her back into the sight of the Pridelanders. They are supposed to be the witnesses, it'd make sense if they forced her back. I'm fine with the hyenas being the ones to corner Zira and send her back. It makes sense if they witnessed it and gives them another bargaining chip and a reason for the Outlanders to dislike them. I also think that Simba and Nala should be there for Kopa as support, it just makes sense to me and it would feel strange if they weren't. |
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Post by Shani on Apr 12, 2010 21:11:19 GMT -5
I honestly think that it should be the hyenas who corner Zira, and sort of herd her back into the sight of the Pridelanders. They are supposed to be the witnesses, it'd make sense if they forced her back. I'm fine with the hyenas being the ones to corner Zira and send her back. It makes sense if they witnessed it and gives them another bargaining chip and a reason for the Outlanders to dislike them. I also think that Simba and Nala should be there for Kopa as support, it just makes sense to me and it would feel strange if they weren't. Oh, yes... definitely it'll be the hyenas who round her up and haul her in. No question, I think they'd be the only ones who could. And will create more friction between them and the Outlanders for certain. I definitely feel that Simba and Nala should be there by Kopa's side. That is where they both should be. |
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Post by Kibibi on Apr 13, 2010 0:15:42 GMT -5
Okay, I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying about just needing Kopa and Rafiki. I'm talking from an OOC standpoint, not an IC standpoint; Of course Simba and Nala would be present, as would the entire pride, I imagine. The only way the ceremony would be any different from the presentation ceremonies shown in the movies is that it'd be a more somber occasion that's less well attended by the savannah animals - many would show up to support the new heir, but it would be one of those happy/sad events where some wouldn't want to attend. So yes, Simba, Nala, and a great many others would ICly be there. What I'm trying to say is that the only players who absolutely must be there in order for us to do the scene from an OOC standpoint is Kopa and myself because our characters have to be doing stuff in order for the scene to work - if any other player of a character who would ICly be there can't make it, doesn't show, disconnects unexpectedly, or anything like that then we'd be able to manage without them, probably by assuming that the character is present but not doing anything in particular. And I'm only saying so because I find it useful when you're trying to schedule something like this to identify the 'must have' people so that when dates and times start being thrown around you can tell much more quickly what could work from what absolutely wouldn't. I of course think that we should make a strong effort to pick a time when as many other prideland affiliated characters can be there as possible, especially Simba and Nala. We'd be able to do the scene without them, but it just wouldn't be the same.
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Post by maybesimba on Apr 13, 2010 11:36:15 GMT -5
I should be home about 7:30 est tonight, and I don't have any homework for a change, so I would love it if anyone wanted to page me, and we can bang out some of the details. I'm sorry I haven't had time to join in the discussion forum, but the last two weeks have been ridiculous due to school and OT at work.
But, I'm definitely reading when I can, and trying to catch up!
Thanks guys for your understanding.
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Post by Asante on Apr 13, 2010 16:48:03 GMT -5
Ok I did more reserch on it and hyenas can eat horns and hooves like I said but they don't digest well so it doesn't make a very big difference if they eat them or not.
And no one cares but I'm saying it on the off chance some does.
Maybe when you're done talking about the opening scene (which is important I know that).
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Post by nuka on Apr 14, 2010 19:21:34 GMT -5
By the way, for this whole trial thing, did you guys need Nuka, Kovu, and Vitani? Or is Zira's brood going to be in the background? Granted, they get exiled at the same time, just didn't know if you needed them directly involved.
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Post by Shani on Apr 14, 2010 19:31:28 GMT -5
By the way, for this whole trial thing, did you guys need Nuka, Kovu, and Vitani? Or is Zira's brood going to be in the background? Granted, they get exiled at the same time, just didn't know if you needed them directly involved. I don't know if a trial is the sort of place they'd want to be, except of course to side with their mother. Yet, somehow, I don't think Zira's the kind of lion who'd care what her kids see or hear,  so if Nuka, Vitani and Kovu want to be there, it'll be fine. If they don't want to, that'll be fine as well. |
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Post by Kibibi on Apr 15, 2010 0:52:39 GMT -5
Shenzi and I were talking about this, and since I'm feeling lazy I'll just quote the important bit:
That's essentially what I was trying to say before, but I probably wasn't explaining myself very well yet again. I don't want to come in and say that I should be the one to do it, I just wanna help. Besides, almost every scene I've had with the hyenas so far has been negative, and I don't know that I like that. It'd be nice to have some basis for the hyenas and elephants to think the other could be okay, even if they have poor taste in housing and we don't have the common decency to be dead so they can eat us.
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Post by Sinyaa | Zira on Apr 15, 2010 7:49:38 GMT -5
By the way, for this whole trial thing, did you guys need Nuka, Kovu, and Vitani? Or is Zira's brood going to be in the background? Granted, they get exiled at the same time, just didn't know if you needed them directly involved. I think this trial scene is mostly just going to be the 'main players' involved with the conflict -- Simba, Zira, Shenzi, Nala, maybe a couple others (Rafiki, Sarabi, another hyena as back-up?)...I don't think her kids would likely be there -- certainly not the cubs (Kopa and Kiara wouldn't be there either), but maybe Nuka if you really wanted to join? Otherwise, I think they'd be off-screen. |
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Post by Kopa on Apr 15, 2010 12:12:28 GMT -5
By the way, for this whole trial thing, did you guys need Nuka, Kovu, and Vitani? Or is Zira's brood going to be in the background? Granted, they get exiled at the same time, just didn't know if you needed them directly involved. I think this trial scene is mostly just going to be the 'main players' involved with the conflict -- Simba, Zira, Shenzi, Nala, maybe a couple others (Rafiki, Sarabi, another hyena as back-up?)...I don't think her kids would likely be there -- certainly not the cubs (Kopa and Kiara wouldn't be there either), but maybe Nuka if you really wanted to join? Otherwise, I think they'd be off-screen. I agree with Zira, I think that Kopa'd be too torn up, confused and emotional to be in on the scene. He'd probably just be in the background a lot like Nala was during the Scar speech scene. Though, if any of you guys want to have your characters notice him, feel free. Like if Simba wanted to glance at him while making a speech or whatnot, go for it. |
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Post by Stahi on Apr 15, 2010 12:42:52 GMT -5
By the way, for this whole trial thing, did you guys need Nuka, Kovu, and Vitani? Or is Zira's brood going to be in the background? Granted, they get exiled at the same time, just didn't know if you needed them directly involved. I think this trial scene is mostly just going to be the 'main players' involved with the conflict -- Simba, Zira, Shenzi, Nala, maybe a couple others (Rafiki, Sarabi, another hyena as back-up?)...I don't think her kids would likely be there -- certainly not the cubs (Kopa and Kiara wouldn't be there either), but maybe Nuka if you really wanted to join? Otherwise, I think they'd be off-screen. ...I'd like to be off-screen and observing from a far, plz.  Gives me the ability to have Stahi know ICly who's who and what's going on before I start interacting. |
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so if Nuka, Vitani and Kovu want to be there, it'll be fine. If they don't want to, that'll be fine as well. 
Gives me the ability to have Stahi know ICly who's who and what's going on before I start interacting.